A Conversation with Lucifer

Samuel H. Roundy, a member of the Church who lived in Salt Lake City in the early part of this century, relates an interesting dream wherein he had a conversation with Lucifer. In that experience Lucifer admitted his continuing desire to deceive the Saints by imitating the works of God through spiritualism and mediumism. While the dream's nature is unknown and is not binding doctrine on the Church, it nevertheless illustrates how Satan's purpose is to deceive the Saints and destroy the work of the Savior:

In the year 1925 about February 15th, I found myself one night sitting on one side of a table in my home and Lucifer sitting on the other side. How he came I saw not. I immediately asked this question:

Roundy: Lucifer why do you seek to destroy and tear down the good works of the Saviour?

Lucifer: That is my mission.... It was then just like two political parties now. The party that is defeated still thinks its' platform the best. I not only think my plan is the best, but I claim Jesus stole my crown and I am doing all I can to over

throw his work. We have one very important advantage over the Saints.

Roundy: I asked in what way?

Lucifer: Just think a moment, said he.

Roundy: Suddenly it came to me. Oh, yes, I understand, it is this; when our Spirits entered our mortal bodies we lost the knowledge we had in the pre-existent state and you and your followers, not having the privilege of entering mortal bodies, retained that knowledge, therefore, you knew from the beginning the life-mission of all the great men.

Lucifer: Yes, he said, and we in every instance try to destroy them so as to prevent God's work through them.

Roundy: I have believed for many years it was you that sought to destroy Moses, Cyrus, Abraham, The Saviour and Joseph Smith while they were young, but you failed, did you not?

Lucifer: Yes, I did, but we know and understand Jesus's plan and doctrines just as well or better than do the Saints. We are just as perfectly organized as you, and are working more faithful than you are.

Roundy: Yes, so l understand, and I also understand that you send out missionaries, hold your conferences, receive reports, etc., that you also have a priesthood.

Lucifer: Yes, I have a priesthood. We send our agents out two and two as you do. We send our best informed to the authorities who preside over the people, also around the temples to discourage the temple work. We also hold our conferences, hear reports, attend to the business and pair them off and send them out again.

Roundy: I said, while you hold a priesthood you must obey the priesthood of God. Must you not? In answering this question he emphasized it very much and said:

Lucifer: ONLY WHEN 1T IS EXERCISED IN FAITH, do I.

Roundy: Then as your agents travel among the people, you and your agents know everything that is going on, don't you? especially among the Latter-day Saints-know all about their financial condition, social relations, etc.?

Lucifer: Yes, my agents have all things necessary and report to me.

Roundy: Then with this knowledge in your possession you are the author of spiritualism, mediumism, slate writings and all things connected therewith.

Lucifer: Yes sir, we have all knowledge necessary, and we can impersonate and imitate any person, so, when the spiritualists call for a certain person, my servants answer, having the

information required.

Roundy: You said in the beginning of this conversation that it was your mission to destroy the works of Jesus Christ. Now with the perfect organization that you have, you are, as it has been said, everywhere present. Is this true?

Lucifer: Yes, it is our mission to overthrow all that leads to purity and Godliness, and we are everywhere present, especially in the sick room where the priesthood is, we are there to offset their power, and as thoughts are seeds sown, we do all we can to put evil thoughts into the minds of the people, especially the young; then teach them to cultivate those evil thoughts as they grow up to manhood and womanhood.

When the Sons of God met I was present, and when God would have you do good. we cause you to think evil. This has been our mission from the beginning, to OVERCOME good with evil. We knew when Joseph Smith was to come and we did all in our power to destroy him, but failed. Also you claim you must overcome evil with good. This is the conflict called the battle of the end, the time of times of the End.

Roundy: Do you believe that all the Latter-day Saints are seeking the glory of God ?

Lucifer: No sir, I do not. All, who are seeking the praise of man, the pleasure of the world, and the almighty dollar, are coming my way and that is the majority of them....

Roundy: 6000 years was the time allotted you for the establishment of your kingdom, was it not?

Lucifer: Yes sir, that was, or is, the allotted time.

Roundy: Then you must know that your end is near.

Lucifer: Yes, I do, but I want to tell you before I am bound, every person that can be led astray will be, and as far as I can, I am going to accomplish my work through the women from now on, and everything in this world will be turned upside down before I am bound [See Revelation 20:1-3. The "chain" by which Satan is bound means the Priesthood coming down from Heaven].

Roundy: . . . I will say he did not seem to become vexed at any time during our conversation. Just how long it lasted I cannot tell. It seems about one-half the night. I did not see him come or leave.

S. H. ROUNDY, (Signed)

Unpublished Manuscript , Church Historical Department in Salt Lake City, Utah. And in New age Menace By David N. Balmforth 1996, pp 56-59